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Monica O

Monica O'Brien

Monica is a a software engineer from Chicago, Illinois.  She graduated with a BS in Computer Science from Truman State University in 2006 and is an MBA candidate for Marketing and Entrepreneurship at the University of Chicago.  In her spare time she enjoys running, photography, and teen shows on the CW (her guilty pleasure).  She also writes about personal and professional development at her blog Twenty Set (www.twentyset.com) and contributes regularly to Young Go Getter (www.younggogetter.com).

When does a girl become a woman?

As a twentysomething female, I'm very conscious of how people in the workplace view me.  I fear being taken advantage of because of my age, race, or gender.  I know all about the gender wage gap, how women are penalized in their careers if they decide to start a family, and how women get overlooked for promotions.
 
I notice the little comments people make.  For example, a manager from another team noticed my coworker and I had worn skirts to work.  He made the comment, "It's so nice to see you girls dressed up at work.  You don't see that often anymore."  At my old job, I had a disagreement with one of my internal clients who refused to listen to my advise despite my technical expertise, and one of the managers told me I "needed to smile."  My previous boss often asked me to plan luncheons when division managers came to visit our plant.  "It's a good experience that will gain you exposure in the company," he claimed, yet followed with, "You won't actually be able to attend the meetings."  (The last time he pulled this, I politely declined and handed him my two week notice a few days later.)
 
Why is it that females receive feedback to dress pretty, look pleasant, and make sure everyone is served good food?  I doubt any of these comments were meant to be offensive, but here are a few things all of these experiences have in common – all comments were made by male managers and these same managers would never say these things to a young man who worked for them.  My conclusion is that these male managers saw me not as the intelligent young employee I was, but as a girl, the newest four-letter word in business.
 
Here's a word association exercise:  Get a sheet of paper and draw and create a table with three columns.  Label the second column "girl" and the third column "woman."  Now, put these five characteristics in the first column (one on each line) and fill in the table for which characteristics work for a "girl" and which work for a "woman."  Feel free to add any other characteristics you see fit, or leave out any of the ones I have listed.
 
Age – any age or age range
Marital status – single, married, divorced, etc
Highest Education level – high school, undergrad, grad school, phD, etc
Career level – no career, assistant, entry-level analyst, middle-tier manager, executive, or any other title
Assets – owns/does not own a House/condo, Car, Stocks/Investments, or any other asset
 
When finished, consider these questions: What connotation does the word "woman" have vs. "girl?"  Which would you prefer to be seen as?  (Feel free to leave your answers in the comments section.)
 
It's not fair that women, especially young women, are treated like girls at the workplace, but it's a reality we have to face if we want to be serious players.  The title of "woman" seems to be something you have to earn, and the only way to do it is change how you carry yourself.  Before I graduated from college I read the book, Nice Girls Don't Get the Corner Office by Lois Frankel.  There are many books out that coach women on workplace gender issues, but this is a personal favorite.  In the book, I learned how to be confident with my opinions, use strong tone of voice and wording when speaking, and stop other "girly" habits that undermined my credibility.  It is a must-read for any woman who feels that she is being treated as a girl instead of a woman at the office.
 
Remember, even when you do all the right things, there are still people who will see and treat you like a girl rather than a woman.  This is especially detrimental to your career if the person is your direct boss.  There's nothing you can do to change people, but you can change you and your situation.  Know when it's time to change jobs or find a new boss who gives you the respect you deserve.  Look to other women in your field for confidence, support, and mentorship.  After all, your career and future is at stake.
 
As I mentioned earlier, I'd love to hear your thoughts on when a girl becomes a woman in the comments section.  Answers to the exercise, stories from your own experience, and constructive criticism of this article are especially welcomed.  I'll be posting my own answers to the exercise above once people have had the chance to consider the question themselves.  There are no wrong answers, and it should be interesting to see how we as women see ourselves and each other. 

when does a girl become a young lady. is it okay to say to a nine year old you are starting to think and act like a young lady? My friends daughter who is nine was asked a question. Her answer was different from the rest of the children. So I said that is because she is sterting to think like a young lady. I was drawn and quartered for saying this. was I wrong?

Posted by Anonymous 11:45pm , July 8, 2010

I completely agree....I personally believe that women are women around 18, 19, 20 regardless of what they do in life...

Girl Dress

Posted by Anonymous 12:47am , July 12, 2008

Every time another woman at work calls herself a girl or says her (fill in the blank) is girly, I just roll my eyes. Some women allow themselves to be treated this way. I used to be like that. Lois Frankel's book is great. That really opened my eyes. Some women at my work are over the top sexy when they show up for work (big boobs on display, short skirts, 4 inch heels). A client told a group of high level men one time that our women looked like "Bond Girls".

Posted by Lesley 8:49am , January 17, 2008

I personally believe that women are women around 18, 19, 20 regardless of what they do in life. I call women either women or ladies, as in, "It was nice talking to you ladies!" But in a sweet way, and since I'm young, I don't want to sound silly. I have a problem with the feminization of certain tasks in work environments also, and once worked at a company where the entire middle and upper management were older white males who came from an era where "broad" was an acceptable term to describe female employees! Needless to say, that didn't last long, but it was good for me to witness that some men still really do think that women are just not power players in business. I think this can be most frustrating when your boss thinks of women as "girls" and not leaders because I wonder if this is an attitude or trait that simply cannot be unlearned for some people (be they older or from a certain region, etc).

I was talking with my father about this exact issue recently (he is a VP for a large company and deals with strong women all the time and is great about it), and he said he heard in the 20's pulp fiction comics used the term "frail" as a noun to describe the female characters! As in, "look at frail!" I don't know if it gets more demeaning than that.....

Posted by Marina Gruber 9:58pm , January 16, 2008

@Anon ~

I completely agree. I get irritated by people calling me a girl at work, but I also find myself refering to other women my age as "girls," ie: "I'm going to lunch with the girls." So I'm guilty of the same thing, but I do feel the connotation of the word "girl" can have detrimental affects on your career, especially when you are the only employee on your team given "girl" tasks, like organizing events.

Thanks for the comment!

Posted by Monica O'Brien 2:17pm , January 12, 2008

My boss constantly refers to women in the office as "girls" and it's really frustrating. I've never had a problem with the term "girl" and still think of myself as a girl in a lot of ways but hearing a woman referred to as a "girl" in the office sounds demeaning, precisely for the reasons you laid out.

Posted by Anonymous 5:10pm , January 11, 2008

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